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EXPLOSIVE Evidence Cont'd.
World Trade Center -- Twin Towers
3: Constant Acceleration
[Richard Gage, AIA] NIST -- the National Institute of Standards and Technology -- acknowledges that the towers came down at essentially freefall acceleration. What are the implications of that admission?
[Shyam Sunder, NIST WTC Lead Investigator] The measurements have indicated that the Tower 1 collapsed in about 11 seconds, and Tower 2 collapsed in about 9 seconds. And the argument goes, that this is essentially the rate at which freefall would happen.
[Michael Donly, P.E., Structural Engineer] I had a friend that asked me if it was possible for the Twin Towers to achieve near freefall speed when they collapsed.
[Alfred Lopez, P.E., Structural Engineer] The Twin Towers could not have come straight down through the thousands of tons of structural steel, through the greatest resistance, the resistance of 80,000 tons of structural steel, at the speed of practically freefall. That would just not happen.
[Daniel Barnum, FAIA, High-Rise Architect] There are columns of steel around the exterior of the building and within the core, all of which are there to prevent the thing from falling down. And so even if something falls on it, it's not going to immediately just go, "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," like that, floor by floor. If it's going to collapse, it's going to have to take some time to weaken the structure below it.
[David Chandler, M.S., B.S. Physics, M.A. Education, M.S. Mathematics] This structure was capable of holding 3-5 times the weight, and here it is falling through it, with a resistance of only 1/3 of its weight. Roughly 90% of the resistance has been removed. And what is happening is the top section is not crushing down the lower section like a pile driver -- which is the picture that NIST basically is painting -- it's actually falling into materials that have already been pulverized, this offering very little resistance. It's just coming down through pre-pulverized material. One of the fundamental laws of nature is the conservation of energy.
[Steven Dusterwald, P.E., Structural Engineer] There was no time for this elastic deformation and plastic deformation which would have absorbed energy and decreased the descent to less than freefall speed. As energy is drained away from the system to deform those members, it would slow down the descending mass, and cause a descent at less than freefall speed.
[Roland Angle, P.E., Civil Engineer] This is high school physics. And our whole society is being led to believe that these fundamental laws of physics -- hard science -- don't apply anymore. I think that should really frighten all of us.
[Frank Cullinan, P.E., Civil Engineer] Structural connections not only had to fail nearly simultaneously, but in sequential order.
[Jody Gibbs, licensed for general building, heavy construction and architecture, Harvard Graduate School of Design, Yale Graduate School of Art & Architecture, Adjunct Faculty at MIT Graduate School of Architecture] The buildings fall at a speed which can only occur if the structure has been removed -- the vertical structure.
[David Chandler, M.S., B.S. Physics, M.A. Education, M.S. Mathematics] This block accelerates straight down, or it is picking up speed downward continually. It doesn't slow down. It just continues to gain speed.
[Robert E. McCoy, High-Rise Architect] From what I understand, the buildings actually accelerated as they came down, meaning they were not getting resistance from these massive columns in the center of the core of this building. The core of this building was very heavy. They are huge columns -- huge!
[Leslie Young, High-Rise Architect] I could not see how those massive, very thick columns, could just snap like that. I would have expected most of them to stay intact with the floor collapsing around them.
[Alfred Lopez, P.E., Structural Engineer] I'm Alfred Lopez. I'm a registered professional structural engineer in the State of Michigan, and have been in private practice for 40 years with Lopez Engineering. I've worked on several high-rise projects, with office buildings above park index, and high-rise apartment buildings here in the Detroit area. I've done numerous investigations of failures of buildings because of fire and wind damage. I was shocked at how the buildings collapsed. I would have expected that they would have come down much slower, that they would have tipped over. The whole thing did not make sense. And ever since then, I've had a hard time believing that the fires did drop those buildings.
[Leslie Young, High-Rise Architect] I thought that given the way the planes hit the building, one side would have given away first, and it would have just fallen off or fallen over at a steep angle. But the way the whole thing just gave way at once, and started to plummet down without slowing down as it went down, again, just like the controlled demolition I witnessed personally.
[William Rice, P.E., Civil Engineer/Professor (Ret.)] The area below the damage zone where the planes flew in, and where the fire was, that area below that, the 80 or 90 stories, 80,000 tons of structural steel, was not damaged in any way. Yet you stood there and watched it destroy itself, wiping out floor by floor, all 287 structural columns, as if they didn't exist under the damage zone. |
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EXPLOSIVE Evidence Cont'd.
World Trade Center -- Twin Towers
4: Eyewitness Reports of Explosions
[Richard Gage, AIA] According to the first responders' oral histories, which were reported in the New York Times, over 100 first responders reported sounds of explosions and flashes of light at the onset of the destruction of both towers. These were not discussed in the NIST report. What did these eyewitnesses actually see and hear?
[Jody Gibbs, licensed for general building, heavy construction and architecture, Harvard Graduate School of Design, Yale Graduate School of Art & Architecture, Adjunct Faculty at MIT Graduate School of Architecture] We have eyewitness testimony of firemen, policemen, news reporters, and occupants of the building, to explosions. An enormous number of eyewitness testimonies.
| Quote: | [Fireman 1] There was a heavy-duty explosion.
[Fireman 2] Inside the lobby.
[Reporter] Was that a secondary explosion?
[Fireman 2] Yes, it was.
[ABC Reporter] There were numerous secondary explosions taking place in that building. There were continuous explosions.
[Fireman 3, H] There was a secondary explosion, probably a device either planted before or on the aircraft that did not explode until an hour later.
[Fireman 4, GW University: Open Wednesday] There was secondary explosions, and then the subsequent collapses.
[Fireman 5, AMERICA RESPONDS] They sounded like gunfire. You know, "BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG," and then all of a sudden, three BIG explosions.
[Ron Saladino, Survivor, CNN Live] Fifty consecutive BANGS, and it fell down like a waterfall.
[Reporter, NBC] Then we heard the noise associated with an implosion.
[Man, FOX NEWS, LIVE WCBS] We heard a very loud blast, explosion.
[Reporter, ABC] We heard a loud explosion.
[Man, FOX NEWS] At that point, we heard a large BOOM.
[Reporter, FOX NEWS] Do you know if it was an explosion, or if it was a building collapse?
[Policeman, FOX NEWS] To me it sounded like an explosion.
[Man, Eye TV] There was another major explosion.
[Man, Wash. McLaughlin Christian School closed] All of a sudden you hear an explosion, and you could see the buildings starting to collapse.
[Reporter, FOX NEWS] HUGE explosion that we all heard and felt.
[Reporter, FOX 5 NEWS] We could hear a rumble, which was about five seconds long, preceding the actual collapse, and then a BOOM when each of those towers collapsed.
[Reporter, FOX NEWS] A few seconds ago, there was a huge explosion, and it appears right now, the second World Trade Tower has just collapsed.
[Man] I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions.
[Fireman 6] Then you heard from far away, "BOOM, BOOM."
[Fireman 7] And you heard, "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM."
[Fireman 8] It was as if they detonated, as if they planned to take out a building, "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM."
[Man] And it just started going, "POP." It just started going, "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM." And he goes, "How fast?" And I go, "Like firecrackers." |
[Erik Lawyer, Firefighter] One of NIST's other excuses was that there were no blast sounds heard by witnesses or recorded. There are so many videos of witnesses from that day that report explosions. There's radio transmissions from the FDNY. We have the transcripts that were recorded back in 2001 of all these firefighters and first responders reporting explosions. There's no doubt they were heard.
[Anthony Szamboti, B.S.M.E., Mechanical Engineer] In the oral histories of the emergency personnel taken down late 2001 and early 2002, there are over 100 individuals who make comments about seeing, hearing, and feeling explosions in those buildings.
| Quote: | More than 118 Firefighters Witness Sounds and Flashes of Explosions
Originally on the order of City Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen "to preserve those accounts before they became reshaped by a collective memory"
Total of 12,000 pages of testimony by 503 FDNY Firefighters, emergency medical technicians collected from October 2001 to January, 2002
Court-ordered Aug 2005 release of the FDNY "Oral Histories" |
These oral histories were documented well before NIST started their World Trade Center investigation in September 2002.
| Quote: | Firefighters Witness Flashes & Explosions
• "We felt the ground shake. You could see the towers sway, and then it just came down. And I never looked back once I started running." -- Lonnie Penn, E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
• "All of a sudden the ground just started shaking. It felt like a train was running under my feet....The next thing we know, we look up, and the tower is collapsing." -- Paul Curran, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
The Ground Shake Preceding the Collapse of WTC 2
• "It actually shook my bones." -- Louis Cook, Paramedic (L.M.S.)
• "Shortly before the first tower came down, I remember feeling the ground shaking. I heard a terrible noise, and then debris just started flying everywhere. People started running." -- Bradley Mann, Lieutenant (E.M.S.) |
This testimony should have caused the presumption that there was a good chance explosive residue would be found, and justified testing for it, rather than the opposite.
| Quote: | More Firefighters Witness Flashes and Explosions
• "Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash."
• "Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building, and that building had started to explode."
• "We were standing there with about five companies, and we were just waiting for our assignment. And then there was an explosion in the south tower....I kept watching. One floor under another after another, and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized, deliberate kind of thing." -- Kenneth Rogers, Firefighter, 9110290 |
[David Topete, S.E., Structural Engineer] Reviewing some of the eyewitness accounts, and people hearing what sounded like explosions, and things like that, again, it didn't seem very plausible for any other type of cause for such an event.
[David Chandler, M.S., B.S. Physics, M.A. Education, M.S. Mathematics] It doesn't look like a collapse. It's like a huge mushrooming, billowing kind of event. That whole thing looks nothing like a building falling down. It's a building being blown up. And it's being blown up progressively from the top down. That's what the physics shows.
[Anthony Szamboti, B.S.M.E., Mechanical Engineer] NIST acknowledges in their response to Request for Correction that, "They are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse." Yet they refuse to consider the possibility that explosives, or some other form of demolition device, could have been used to cause the collapses of the towers, and the fact that controlled demolition is consistent with all the available technical evidence. And the response to that Request for Correction is NIST simply saying, "They are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse," even though that was their task given to them by Congress.
[David Chandler, M.S., B.S. Physics, M.A. Education, M.S. Mathematics] The core structure of the building had to have been destroyed by other means. |
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EXPLOSIVE Evidence Cont'd.
World Trade Center -- Twin Towers
5: Direct Evidence of Explosions
[Richard Gage, AIA] FEMA documents a 1,200 foot diameter debris field around each tower. Videos show multi-ton steel sections of hundreds of individual steel pieces ejecting out of the towers at 60 mph for a distance of 600 feet. They also show clouds of debris, pulverized in mid-air, and isolated explosive ejections as many as 60 stories below the so-called "crush zone." Videos also show the near total destruction of both towers. What does all this tell us about the forces and energies involved in the destruction?
[Michael Donly, P.E., Sructural Engineer] The spread of debris in a large radius around each tower -- what we see is an outward explosion of material beyond the perimeters of each footprint. And this is not expected. And it's not congruent with the reports of our government.
[Ronald Brookman, S.E., Structural Engineer] Debris that was shooting out for hundreds of feet in all directions at 70 mph, leaving the 80th floor of the North Tower, and making a fairly level trajectory -- that, to me, is fairly alarming.
[Jody Gibbs, licensed for general building, heavy construction and architecture, Harvard Graduate School of Design, Yale Graduate School of Art & Architecture, Adjunct Faculty at MIT Graduate School of Architecture] Large, multi-ton beams were hurled hundreds of yards laterally. Gravity works vertically, not laterally.
[David Chandler, M.S., B.S. Physics, M.A. Education, M.S. Mathematics] The number I got was 78 mph. So something's happening to throw these things horizontally at those kinds of speeds. And here it is trailing white smoke the whole time. It really is indicative of some kind of explosion.
[Steve Luce, Former U.S. Army Combat Engineer, Explosive Demolition of Structures] The individual explosions that I noticed 20 and 30 and 40 stories below the collapsing structure, those are what we demolition guys call "squibs." And that's another characteristic that seems to be evidence.
[David Chandler, M.S., B.S. Physics, M.A. Education, M.S. Mathematics] Well, in the case of the South Tower, you can see these jets of black smoke being ejected from many locations, on many different floors above the level of the impact. There's a whole bunch of these squibs or puffs that are coming out the side of the building. And naysayers tend to say, "Well, that's just air being blown out the windows because you've got like an accordion effect; it's going to be compressed." Well, it's going on at a lot of different levels at the same time -- that's one thing. And if you're compressing it out here, if you're blowing out the windows down here, how are you getting the air pressure? I mean, it really doesn't work to say it's just air pressure. Some of these are coming out faster than 100 mph.
[Leslie Young, High-Rise Architect] The impact of the floors pancaking upon themselves would create gushes of air out the side, but not the kind of explosive force that we saw them throw I-beams across the street into the windows of other buildings.
[Steve Luce, Former U.S. Army Combat Engineer, Explosive Demolition of Structures] The ejection of the materials out of the building, the manner in which it fell, the speed at which it fell, exhibited all the signs of demolitions, and the completeness of the destruction down to their individual elements.
[Leslie Young, High-Rise Architect] When the South Tower was destroyed, first it looked like it was going to land in the street, or take a building out next to it. And then, all of a sudden, it disappears in this huge cloud of smoke, which didn't make sense at the time.
[Robert E. McCoy, High-Rise Architect] How can those steel columns, the massive steel columns that they are, supporting the weight of that building, virtually disappear? Why aren't they poking up straight out of that rubble at the bottom of the building?
[Steve Barasch, High-Rise Architect] As an architect, I would expect to see larger portions of the building floors, the steel decking, the concrete topping, much larger remnants of what the structural components of this building was. There were just small fragments of strewn-steel components. There should have been much larger pieces for examination on the ground. After all, there were 110 floors in each building, and each floor plate was over an acre in size.
[Leslie Young, High-Rise Architect] The fact that it was all reduced to rubble and powder just did not make sense at all.
[Jody Gibbs, licensed for general building, heavy construction and architecture, Harvard Graduate School of Design, Yale Graduate School of Art & Architecture, Adjunct Faculty at MIT Graduate School of Architecture] We have no explanation of how the concrete was pulverized. It takes an enormous amount of energy, way beyond what we have in aviation fuel.
[Richard Humenn, P.E., Original WTC Chief Electrical Design Engineer] There were two substations on the 108th floor, the 75th floor, and the 41st floor and the 7th floor. At those eight locations, there were four transformers in each substation that weighed over 30,000 pounds. In the substations on the mechanical floors in each tower -- the transformers would not explode on their own. They were air-cooled dry-type transformers. And yet after the collapse, there was, from what was reported, there's no evidence of them being found at the bottom of the towers. I wonder why. It was a shame that after the collapse, that a forensic engineering unit didn't go into the debris and try to find at that time why the towers had collapsed. I'm sure there was other evidence that could have given a better indication at the time that there was something else wrong. |
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EXPLOSIVE Evidence Cont'd.
World Trade Center -- Twin Towers
6: Melted Steel Beams and Molten Iron
[Richard Gage, AIA] In its report on World Trade Center Seven, which came out in May, 2002, FEMA documents in Appendix C that steel that has been melted and even partially evaporated, resembling Swiss cheese. What are we to make of this?
[Jeffrey Farrer, Ph.D., Materials Science Engineer/M.S. Physics] My name is Jeff Farrer. I have a Ph.D. in materials science engineering from the University of Minnesota. I have a B.A. in physics from Brigham Young University. I've worked with solid state reactions. I've worked characterizing materials: semi-conductor materials, and thin films. I currently do a lot of work with nano-particles, as well as solid state reactions. So Jonathan Barnett's study, which I thought was very well done, and quite extensive, is all documented by FEMA in Appendix C, in their BPAT report. That was May, 2002. Unfortunately, it was never used in the NIST report.
[Jason Cheshire, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist] My name is Jason Cheshire, and I'm a licensed professional engineer in the province of Ontario, in Canada. And I have been working in the field of hydrometallurgy for the past 10 years for a major company here in Canada. And I'd like to know why NIST excluded the document from FEMA, in Appendix C, that documented the evidence of melting steel. Why is this not included? Why is this forensic evidence not being included in the report?
[John Gross, Lead Engineer of the NIST Report] First of all, let's go back to your basic premise that there was a pool of molten steel. I know of absolutely nobody, and no eyewitness who has said so, and nobody who has produced it.
But witnesses testify otherwise ...
| Quote: | [Fireman 1, Fire Dept, City of NY] You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel -- molten steel running down the channel rails. Like you're in a foundry.
[Fireman 2, Fire Dept., City of NY] Like lava.
[Fireman 3, Fire Dept., City of NY] Uh hmm. Like it was from a volcano.
[Fireman 1, Fire Dept., City of NY] Like lava.
[Richard Riggs, Debris Removal Specialist] There are actually melted beams where it was molten steel that was being dug out.
[Ken Holden, Director of NY Dept. of Design & Construction, C-SPAN 2] Underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of a wall.
[Michael Casale, Project Supt., Mazzocchi Wrecking] And the clean-up was very difficult in the beginning. Steel was coming out red in certain areas for the first couple of weeks.
[Bart Voorsanger, Architect] This fused element of molten steel.
[Leslie Robertson, WTC Structural Engineer] And they pulled out the big rock of concrete, and there was like a little river of steel flowing. |
[Mark Basile, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer] My name is Mark Basile. I'm a chemical engineer. I have a bachelor of science in chemical engineering from Worcester Polytechnic Institute. I have worked for about 25 years in industry. And the majority of what I do is analytical work, and figuring out what materials are composed of: why they are, what they are, why they do what they do. There were sections of them that clearly showed melting. They had sections that were thinned away. And there were actually holes through them. And some of the ends were just melted away, or even possibly evaporated away.
[Kathy McGrade, B.S., Metallurgical Engineer] I'm Kathy McGrade. I have a bachelors in metallurgical engineering from New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology, which I got in 1979. I then spent the next 30 years with three start-up companies. In an office fire, you cannot generate enough heat to melt steel. And yet we have evidence of molten iron in the microspheres, in the rubble pile, and the metal pouring out of the side of the tower.
[Rick Fowlkes, P.E., Civil/Structural Engineer] We could have filled up the twin towers with jet fuel, and burned it all up, and that does not cause a fire hot enough to melt structural steel.
[Gary Warner, P.E., Mechanical Engineer] My name is Gary Warner. I'm a mechanical engineer. I hold a professional certification from The Association of British Columbia. I worked in the project engineering department of the casting plant of ALCAN, the aluminum company of Canada, one of the largest aluminum smelters on the planet at the time. And in that smelter, we turned aluminum oxide into aluminum, molten aluminum. Molten aluminum is silver; it's not yellow, it's silver. It looks like mercury. The yellow molten metal that I saw pouring out of the south tower is indicative of molten iron. I was a bit incredulous when I learned that NIST claimed that the molten metal was aluminum. It doesn't look at all like molten aluminum; it looks like iron, molten iron. That's what it looks like. And I've seen tons of it. We used to cast this in ALCAN. They still cast it. I spent two years casting that.
[David Gregg, Ph.D., Chemical Engineer] I'm David Gregg. I have a masters and Ph.D. in chemical engineering from the University of Illinois. Afterwards, I went to work for Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, where I worked for more than 30 years. You cannot get a flame hot enough to start the metal, make it molten in the first place so that this other process takes off. I don't know of any mechanism for that. The only way that's known that a carbonaceous material can cause steel, or iron oxide, to turn into a molten metal, is in a blast furnace. And that's very different than what we had.
[Movie narrator, Thermite demonstration] An incendiary used by the military, thermite is a compound of iron oxide and aluminum, which when ignited, sustains an extreme heat reaction creating molten iron.
| Quote: | Thermite: Fe203 + 2Al
"A very effective agent of violence ... more effective than explosives." -- DESTRUCTION BY DEMOLITION, INCENDIARIES AND SABOTAGE USMC FIELD TRAINING MANUAL |
In just two seconds, thermite can reach temperatures over 4,500 degrees fahrenheit. Quite enough to liquify steel.
| Quote: | | Steel melts at 2,750 degrees fahrenheit. |
We know that open air fires cannot burn hot enough to melt steel, but metal had melted at the base of the towers.
[Jeffrey Farrer, Ph.D., Materials Science Engineer/M.S. Physics] The next question is, how do you get the sulfur in these pieces of steel, or in the debris? And that question is unanswered. There's a version of thermite called "thermate," which has sulfur in the thermate to -- what the sulfur does, it's sort of like salt on ice.
[Movie narrator, Thermite demonstration] Appendix C of the FEMA report describes sulfur residues on the World Trade Center steel.
| Quote: | The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel
by Worcester Polytechnic Institute
There is no indication that any of the fires in the World Trade Center buildings were hot enough to melt the steel framework. Jonathan Barnett, professor of fire protection engineering, has repeatedly reminded the public that steel--which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit -- may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire. Yet metallurgical studies on WTC steel brought back to WPI reveal that a novel phenomenon -- called a eutectic reaction -- occurred at the surface, causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.
Materials science professors Ronald R. Biederman and Richard D. Sisson Jr. confirmed the presence of eutectic formations by examining steel samples under optical and scanning electron microscopes. A preliminary report was published in JOM, the journal of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society. A more detailed analysis comprises Appendix C of the FEMA report. The New York Times called these findings "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." The significance of the work on a sample from Building 7 and a structural column from one of the twin towers becomes apparent only when one sees these heavy chunks of damaged metal.
A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges -- which are curled like a paper scroll -- have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes -- some larger than a silver dollar -- let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending -- but not holes.
A eutectic compound is a mixture of two or more substances that melts at the lowest temperature of any mixture of its components. Blacksmiths took advantage of this property by welding over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, which lowers the melting point of iron. In the World Trade Center fire, the presence of oxygen, sulfur and heat caused iron oxide and iron sulfide to form at the surface of structural steel members. This liquid slag corroded through intergranular channels into the body of the metal, causing severe erosion and a loss of structural integrity.
"The important questions," says Biederman, "are how much sulfur do you need, and where did it come from? The answer could be as simple -- and this is scary -- as acid rain."
Have environmental pollutants increased the potential for eutectic reactions? "We may have just the inherent conditions in the atmosphere so that a lot of water on a burning building will form sulfuric acid, hydrogen sulfide or hydroxides, and start the eutectic process as the steel heats up," Biederman says. He notes that the sulfur could also have come from contents of the burning buildings, such as rubber or plastics. Another possible culprit is ocean salts, such as sodium sulfate, which is known to catalyze sulfidation reactions on turbine blades of jet engines. "All of these things have to be explored," he says.
From a building-safety point of view, the critical question is: Did the eutectic mixture form before the buildings collapsed, or later, as the remains smoldered on the ground. "We have no idea," admits Sisson. "To answer that, we would need to recreate those fires in the FPE labs, and burn fresh steel of known composition for the right time period, with the right environment." He hopes to have the opportunity to collaborate on thermodynamically controlled studies, and to observe the effects of adding sulfur, copper and other elements. The most important lesson, Sisson and Biederman stress, is that fail-safe sprinkler systems are essential to prevent steel from reaching even 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, because phase changes at the 1,300-degree mark compromise a structure's load-bearing capacity.
The FEMA report calls for further metallurgic investigations, and Barnett, Biederman and Sisson hope that WPI will obtain NIST funding and access to more samples. They are continuing their microscopic studies on the samples prepared by graduate student Jeremy Bernier and Marco Fontecchio, the 2001–02 Helen E. Stoddard Materials Science and Engineering Fellow. (Next year's Stoddard Fellow, Erin Sullivan, will take up this work as part of her graduate studies.) Publication of their results may clear up some mysteries that have confounded the scientific community.
-JKM |
The New York Times called this "The Deepest Mystery of All." Sulfur slightly lowers the melting point of iron, and iron oxide, and iron sulfide.
[Mark Basile, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer] And it just basically makes the steel melt at a lower temperature. So instead of having to bring the steel up to 1,500 degrees centigrade, you can slice through it with material that's at 900 or 1,000 degrees centigrade. If you do a search on Google for thermite and building demolition, you can find all sorts of wonderful devices that have been fabricated and invented that use thermite for building demolitions.
[Niels Harrit, Ph.D. Chemistry, Associate Professor Emeritus, University of Copenhagen] Thermite is, in the old-fashioned thermite, is a mixture of pulverized aluminum and pulverized rust. And if you can get this mixture to react, which is not so easy, it produces tremendous heat. And this is what you call an incendiary. An incendiary is something which can be used to destroy something by the means of heat. An explosive is something which reacts with pressure. It knocks things apart. Now the old fashioned incendiary is not an explosive. But it is still used for military purposes for melting iron structures.
[Mark Basile, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer] Practical applications of thermite involve things such as equipment decommissioning in the military. When they have a piece of artillery or a tank, or something like that they don't want to leave behind to the enemy, they throw what are called thermite grenades down the barrel, let's say. But thermite does not explode. It simply reacts, produces large amounts of heat and molten material.
[Tom Sullivan, Explosives Technician, Formerly Employed with Controlled Demolition, Inc.] In the case of thermite cutting charges, you would have heard far less noise, since they work by thermal heating, melting of the steel, rather an explosive cutting, as in RDX charges.
[Robert Kim Ireland, B.S., Chemical Engineer] I'm Kim Ireland. I have a degree in chemical engineering from Clarkson University in 1963. After graduating, I served two years as a reserve officer in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers where, among other things, I had training in explosives such as C-4. I was involved in the industrial chemical industry for 20 years with major companies. There were reports of molten steel having been seen in the rubble pile of all three buildings. And I knew that jet fuel, which is essentially kerosene, is not capable of melting steel nor iron. Kerosene or jet fuel burns at less than 1,600 degrees fahrenheit, and molten steel needs at least 2,700 degrees fahrenheit in order to melt.
[Jason Cheshire, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist] The thing that most struck me about the 9/11 incident was, following the incident, how overflights had detected with infrared camera 1,400 degree fahrenheit hotspots on the surface of Ground Zero. And that being there for a week, indicates that there was something very hot going on below the surface. |
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EXPLOSIVE Evidence Cont'd.
World Trade Center -- Twin Towers
7: Iron Microspheres Confirm Unexplained Extreme Temperatures
[Richard Gage, AIA] Another question that may haunt the new freedom tower, according to the USGS, they found as much as 6% of the World Trade Center dust consisted of tiny, previously molten iron spheres. What does this tell us about the temperatures generated in the Towers' destruction?
[Adam Parrott, B.S.Ch.E, Chemical Engineering] My name is Adam Parrott, and I have a bachelors degree in chemical engineering from Queens University. I've been working for an environmental consulting firm for a number of years. When the USGS collected samples of the World Trade Center dust, they found the iron microspheres, and so far, the USGS does not have a valid explanation for the presence of these iron microspheres.
[Mark Basile, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer] But I have independently seen thermitic activity within two separate, independent samples of World Trade Center dust.
[Jerry Lobdill, B.S.Ch.E., Physicist/Chemical Engineer] I'm Jerry Lobdill. I'm a retired physicist, and chemical engineer. I have a B.S. in chemical engineering from Texas Tech, and I have extensive coursework in mathematics and physics from the University of Texas at Austin. I've had broad experience in analysis and applied research. I have a 30-year professional history, spanning physics, chemical engineering, statistical analysis and modeling, and operations research. So what do the microspheres contain? Iron is the main element. And then it has smaller portions of aluminum, sulfur, a trace of manganese, and a trace of potassium. Most of them are less than 1/10th of an inch in diameter. They are spherical. And they are found in all the dust blown out of the buildings during collapse, no matter where in Manhattan that dust is picked up.
[Kathy McGrade, B.S., Metallurgical Engineer] You must have had a much hotter heat source for you to get 2,700 degrees fahrenheit in order to melt the steel, melt the iron, to get these molten iron spheres. Your heat source must be something like a chemical reaction, an exothermic chemical reaction that reacts -- in the case of thermite -- reacts at 4,500 degrees fahrenheit.
[Mark Basile, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer] My contention based on finding thermite residue in the dust is that it happened before; it didn't happen after in the fires that ensued in the rubble pile afterwards. All the characteristics of the microspheres, along with what I see in the attack of the beams that were actually found, tell me that thermite was involved in melting those steel beams. |
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| Explosive Evidence wrote: | [Fireman 1, Fire Dept, City of NY] You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel -- molten steel running down the channel rails. Like you're in a foundry.
[Fireman 2, Fire Dept., City of NY] Like lava.
[Fireman 3, Fire Dept., City of NY] Uh hmm. Like it was from a volcano.
[Fireman 1, Fire Dept., City of NY] Like lava. |
And the neocons called themselves "Vulcans." Vulcan was of course the Graeco-Roman god of volcanoes, fire, and the smithy. See "Fall of a Vulcan," by Michael Duffy http://www.american-buddha.com/911.fallofavulcan.htm .
| Michael Duffy wrote: | | Libby was a Vulcan,* one of the Bush team hard-liners, along with former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who helped the President cram for foreign policy debates during the 2000 campaign and who had argued for years that the U.S. should depose Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and bring democracy and stability to the Middle East. [* The group gave itself the nickname the Vulcans, for the Roman god of fire. For more details, see Rise of the Vulcans, by James Mann.] |
Sulfur is found near volcanoes.
| Explosive Evidence wrote: | | [Jeffrey Farrer, Ph.D., Materials Science Engineer/M.S. Physics] The next question is, how do you get the sulfur in these pieces of steel, or in the debris? And that question is unanswered. There's a version of thermite called "thermate," which has sulfur in the thermate to -- what the sulfur does, it's sort of like salt on ice. |
Is it a coincidence that we have a recreation of Vulcan's smithy here at "Ground Zero?" Or is this the purposeful enactment of some perverted mythology by people crazy enough to call themselves "Vulcans"?
| Explosive Evidence wrote: | | A eutectic compound is a mixture of two or more substances that melts at the lowest temperature of any mixture of its components. Blacksmiths took advantage of this property by welding over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, which lowers the melting point of iron. In the World Trade Center fire, the presence of oxygen, sulfur and heat caused iron oxide and iron sulfide to form at the surface of structural steel members. This liquid slag corroded through intergranular channels into the body of the metal, causing severe erosion and a loss of structural integrity. |
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EXPLOSIVE Evidence Cont'd
World Trade Center -- Twin Towers
8: High-Tech Incendiaries in the WTC Dust
[Richard Gage, AIA] Out of the ashes of the World Trade Center devastation rises the Freedom Tower, whose foundation, however, is shrouded in question. For example, in the World Trade Center dust, an international team of scientists found an advanced form of highly energetic, nano-thermite composites. What is it, and where does it come from?
[Niels Harrit, Ph.D. Chemistry, Associate Professor Emeritus, University of Copenhagen] My name is Niels Harrit. I have a masters and a Ph.D. in chemistry. And I'm associate professor at the University of Copenhagen, and I have been so for almost 40 years. I have published close to 60 peer-reviewed papers in the best journals. And currently, I'm involved with research, X-ray time resolved spectroscopy, on time scales of 1 millionth of 1 millionth of a second. In the dust, we found what we characterize as unreacted thermitic material in the shape of some very tiny, red-grey chips which have different properties, most importantly is they're still reacting, some of them. And in the reaction they produce molten iron, which is the prime indication of a thermitic reaction. And such a reaction can be used to destroy steel structures. What we have found is the modern version of thermite, which we call nano-thermite, which is produced in a different way. It is not just two powders being mixed. The material is actually built from the atom-scale up. We call it the bottom up procedure, which is what you do in nano-technology. This has two consequences for the nano-thermite which separates it, distinguishes it from the classical thermite. First, the ingredients are much smaller, which means they are reacting faster and they are more easily ignited.
[Steven Jones, Ph.D., Physics Professor Emeritus, Brigham Young University] The primary elements in the red material are aluminum, iron oxide, as well as silicon and carbon. The iron oxide appears in faceted grains approximately 100 nanometers across. The aluminum appears in thin platelets about 40 nanometers thick. It is the small size of the particles involved in this material that allow us to characterize it as nano-thermite. In older thermite, the particle size is much larger, and hence ordinary thermite isn't incendiary. where, as the particle size becomes smaller and smaller, it can become explosive: super-thermite it's sometimes called. This red material contains also a significant amount of carbon. And the formulation of nano-thermite as described by National Laboratory publications, also implies the presence of carbon very typically. The organic is used with nanothermite in order to produce gas, that is, very high pressure gas that makes the nanothermite an explosive. We do have descriptions from the Livermore National Laboratory, in particular, of how they fabricated this material. To fabricate it is not so easy. This is discussed in our paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal published in April, 2009.
[Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen]
So far, none of these papers have been refuted in the scientific literature. So that means they are unchallenged in the scientific sense. They stand as an indictment, really, of the official story of 9/11.
[Mark Basile, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer] One of the things I'd like to stress about these chips is that they really shouldn't be there. They are not a natural formed aglomeration of aluminum from the aircraft, or materials that were in the building and iron oxide that got knocked off. It isn't just a haphazard bringing together of iron oxide and aluminum, which is the basic components of thermite. This is a material that is made up of nano-sized particles that are all very uniform, very symmetrical.
[Adam Parrott, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineering] The formulation of the grey chips is nano-sized. This cannot be paint. Paint does not have these exotic properties. That's impossible.
[Niels Harrit, Ph.D. Chemistry, Associate Professor Emeritus, University of Copenhagen] We do not know which role is played by the red-grey chips that we found in the dust. But we know -- and this was already totally clear before we started investigating the dust -- both explosives and incendiaries were used in the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center. This is quite obvious because of other observations: the molten iron and other findings in the dust.
[Jason Cheshire, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist] This is material that is of military use that really shouldn't be there. |
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| EXPLOSIVE Evidence wrote: | | [Jason Cheshire, B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist] This is material that is of military use that really shouldn't be there. |
Someday everyone is going to know that 9/11 was an attack on America by our own government.
| Francis A. Boyle wrote: | Anthrax Attacks
This brings us to the anthrax attacks on the United States government. Obviously it was not clear what was going on, at least to me, until the New York Times published the technology behind the Daschle letter. The technology behind the Daschle letter, and later the Leahy letter, was very sophisticated. Trillion spores per gram. That is super-weapons grade. Second, tied in there was a special treatment to eliminate electrostatic charges so it would float in the air. You have to have special equipment, special treatment, special everything.
The only people who would have the capability to do this would be individuals who either are currently employed by the Department of Defense or the CIA doing biowarfare work, or had been employed by the Department of Defense or the CIA doing biowarfare work. And would probably have access to one of the government's biowarfare labs. This stuff is so dangerous. You could not do it unless you were wearing one of these space suits. And there are only a handful of these labs in the country.
http://www.american-buddha.com/911.biowarfareboyle.htm |
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Take sulfur for example. If a chemist found himself in conversation with an alchemist about sulfur, he would make a big mistake to think they were talking about the same thing. An alchemist has an entirely different world view than a chemist. Alchemy was invented specifically to pervert the progress of chemistry and science in general. The scientific discoveries of Columbus, Copernicus, and Galileo during the time of the Renaissance threatened the power of the medieval Church, so it invented alchemy to promote an esoteric Christianity under the guise of science. Alchemy is about pretending to be science when it isn't, like the Intelligent Design "science" of today. The Church didn't want people to experience reality according to their senses, but according to religion. They wanted to keep authority over the people in a time when individuality was getting out of control.
So when I read James Glanz and Eric Lipton's February 2, 2002, New York Times article saying that the presence of sulfur at the trade towers was "the deepest mystery," it made me wonder what kind of mystery they were talking about. The "mysteries" mystery? But I got a clue when I read the article by the Worcester Polytechnic Institute, which is cited by these authors, called "The Deep Mystery of Melted Steel." In it, "Materials science professor" Ronald Biederman says:
| The Deep Mystery of Melted Steel wrote: | | "The important questions," says Biederman, "are how much sulfur do you need, and where did it come from? The answer could be as simple -- and this is scary -- as acid rain." |
ACID RAIN!!! Are you kidding me? Chemistry is obviously a joke to these people. But since they just finished talking about blacksmiths welding over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, I had a clue.
How would an alchemist view sulfur as "the deepest mystery"? Let's go directly to the horse's mouth for the answer: Philippus Theophrastus Bombast of Hohenheim, known by the name of Paracelsus, interpreted by the theosophist Franz Hartmann, M.D.:
| Paracelsus, by Franz Hartmann wrote: | | It is true that it is very difficult, if not altogether impossible, to understand the writings of Paracelsus without possessing a certain amount of spiritual insight and intuition. The writings of Paracelsus deal especially with metaphysical and not with corporeal things. Thus, for instance, when he speaks of "Sulphur," he, like other Alchemists of his times, refers to a certain active energy or form of the will, for which even modern science has not yet invented a name, and for which the term "Sulphur" is a symbol, in the same sense as "Mercury" is a symbol for intelligence, "Salt" for substance, "Venus" for love, and so forth. One would therefore vainly inquire at the chemist's shop for the "sulphur" of Paracelsus. |
Alchemists like to play games with our minds. You think you're talking about sulfur with them, but they're actually talking about esoteric Christianity. Better go learn the Kabbalah if you want to know what's really going on in our world. |
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| New Platonism and Alchemy, by Alexander Wilder wrote: | | Moses and Solomon are also assigned the first rank in the knowledge of Hermetic learning -- the former, because he has learned "all the wisdom of the Egyptians;" and the other, as being the wisest of men, and able, by his mystic seal and pass-word, to command spirits. |
| Leo Strauss, Philosophy and Law wrote: | | Only Moses is the philosopher-legislator in Plato's sense or 'first Chief' in Farabi's sense. |
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