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Here's Carl Jung with a shocking Christ complex. And he gives us his perverted religious praise of the war: It allows us to participate in THE MYSTERY OF SELF-SACRIFICE, just like Jesus Christ! How gross can you get?
| Carl Jung, The Red Book wrote: | | As you saw how pride and power filled men and how beauty streamed out of the eyes of women when the war gripped the people, that mankind was on the way. You knew that this war was not only adventure, criminal acts and killing, but the mystery of self-sacrifice. The ["great" changed throughout] spirit of the depths has seized humanity and forced him through the war to self-sacrifice. Do not seek the guilt here or there ["Guilt doesn't lie outside"] -- It is the spirit of the depths who leads the people into the Mysterium, just as he led me. He leads the people to the river of blood, just as he led me. I experienced in the Mysterium what the people were forced to do in actuality ["which happened outside on a large scale"]. I did not know it, but the Mysterium taught me how my willing laid itself at the feet of the crucified God. I experienced [wanted] Christ's self-sacrifice. The Mysterium of Christ completed itself in front of my eyes. My forethinking ['The idea standing above me'] forced me to this, but I resisted. My highest desire, my lions, my hottest and strongest passion. I wanted to rise up against the mysterious will to self-sacrifice. So I was like a lion encircled by the serpent, ["an image of fate eternally renewing itself "]. Salome came to me from the right, the favorable side. Pleasure awakened in me. I experienced that my pleasure comes to me when I accomplish the self-sacrifice. I hear that Maria, the symbol of love, is also the [my] mother of Christ since love has also borne Christ. Love brings the self-sacrificer and self-sacrifice. Love is also the mother of my self-sacrifice. In that I hear and accept this, I experience that I become Christ, since I recognize that love makes me into Christ. But I still doubt, since it is nearly impossible for the thinker to differentiate himself from his thought and accept that what happens in his thought is also something outside of himself. It is outside him in the inner world. I become Christ in the Mysterium, rather I see, how I was made into Christ and yet am completely myself, so that I could still doubt when my pleasure told me that I was Christ. [Salome,] My pleasure said to me, ["that I am Christ"] because love, which is higher than pleasure, which however is still in me hidden in pleasure, had led me to self-sacrifice and made me into Christ. Pleasure came near to me, encircled me in rings and forced me to experience the torment of Christ and to spill my blood for the world. My willing, which earlier served the spirit of this time ["Zeitgeist," substituted throughout] went under to the spirit of the depths, and just as it was previously determined by the spirit of the time, it is now determined by the spirit of the depths, by forethinking ["Idea," substituted throughout] and pleasure. It determined me through the willing of self-sacrifice, and to the spilling of blood, my life's essence. Mark that it is my bad pleasure which leads me to self-sacrifice. Its innermost is love, which will be freed from pleasure through sacrifice. Here the wonder happened that my previously blind pleasure became sighted. My pleasure was blind, and it was love. Since my strongest willing willed self-sacrifice, my pleasure changed, it went into a higher principle, which in God is one with forethinking. Love is sighted, but pleasure is blind. Pleasure always wants what is closest, and feels through the multiplicity, going from one to another, without a goal, just seeking and never fulfilled. Love wants what is furthest, the best and the fulfilling. And I saw something further, namely that the forethinking in me had the form of an old prophet, which showed that it was pre-Christian, and transformed itself into a principle that no longer appeared in a human form, but in the absolute form of a pure white light. So the human relative transformed itself into the divine absolute through the Mysterium of Christ. Forethinking and pleasure united in me in a new form and the willing in me, which appeared foreign and dangerous, the willing of the spirit of the depths, lay paralyzed at the feet of the shining flame. I became one with my will. This happened in me, I just saw it in the mystery play. Through this much was made known that I didn't previously know ["like in a play"]. But I found everything doubtful. I felt as if he was melting in the air, since the land of the Mysterium [that spirit] was still foreign to me. The Mysterium showed me the things which lay before me and had to be fulfilled. But I did not know how and when. But that image of the sighted Salome, who knelt in rapture before the white flame, was a strong feeling that came to the side of my will and led me through everything that came after. What happened was my wandering with myself through whose suffering I had to earn what served for the completion of the Mysterium I had seen ["I had first seen"] |
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And then Ulrich Hoerni of the Foundation of the Works of C.G. Jung has the nerve to call Jung's ravings "science" -- yeah, like creation "science." See what happens when the vast majority of people believe in fantastical nonsense? Before they know it, they're calling their nonsense "science." Why shouldn't they believe that nonsense is real? They believe God is real. And every other stupid thing seems to flow from that initial mistake.
| Ulrich Hoerni wrote: | | With the help of primary sources [the historian of psychology] could embed it in the cultural context of its genesis, situate it within the history of science, and relate it to Jung's life and works. |
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Here's a bumpersticker for you:
IF YOU GOTTA BE A NAZI,
BE A NAZI FOR PEACE
That's what real tantra is about, in my opinion, not about fucking. It's about positive transformations, not about sex changes or androgyny. And it's certainly not about female sacrifice, or imagining a purified woman. It's real magic, the kind that works to change the mind and make life better. |
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I love how these authors and their friends go about establishing their identity as authorities. They get translators to make introductory comments, then they make lots of footnotes throughout the text, there are endless citations, and reference to other authorities' works, maybe some mysterious Latin thrown in to show you they know something you don't, and to transmit secret messages to their friends (Ecclesia catholic et protestantes et seclusi in secreto -- A church both Catholic and Protestant shrouded in secrecy) they get another authority to write the preface, they give thanks to everyone who helped publish the book, including their wife and kids and dog, maybe they get someone to illustrate it, and they have other people critique and reference the work in other books. They even publish their private letters. And before you know it, they've got themselves a real, live Authority. And everyone is bowing and scraping to them. All it takes is a lot of money and influence.
And it's totally constructed. It usually has nothing to do with merit. It's a product to be sold. And more than that, it's a power created to control us. Now, that's magic -- Frankenstein waking from the dead.
Wow, they can take even a nut job like Carl Jung and make him into the Star of Psychology! I am in awe of their power. But it's like the Emperor's Clothes. And only the clothes, because there's no body. So I can walk right through the authority of Carl Jung, because he doesn't actually exist. He is entirely an illusion, a mirage shimmering in a gnostic desert sun. |
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This made me laugh: we don't even know what our dreams are, much less know what they mean. What's to understand anyway? -- you just experience them, and enjoy the show. To enter into dream, you have to exit consciousness that is connected with ordinary memory. Sort of jump into the ocean; let go of your grasping mind which wants to know everything. Dreams happen in a secret realm. And I don't think it's right to import meaning to them from our everyday cult experiences. Dreams are pure, part of the magic world, free from the prison of our politically oriented day-stories, day-minds, and day-guilt. Why would you want to make them captive to them? Like Tom Waits said so beautifully, "We're innocent when we dream."
Jung is an incredible egotist. He wants to take his crazy gnostic cult experiences and put them at the center of all of our primordial lives. Even though he practices metanoia, to some extent, unlike the Red Army of Japan who took it very seriously and killed almost all their cult members through the extreme practice of self-criticism, which looks very Gnostic to me, as well as Communist. Not even the Catholics make you confess to that extent, except when they run their Inquisitions. And the CIA when they interrogate so-called "terrorists." They should interrogate themselves, engage in their own metanoic self-criticism. Of course, after their confession, they're dead.
| The Red Book, by Carl Jung wrote: | | In 1912, Jung had some significant dreams that he did not understand. |
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I hate to see this creepy stuff. Jung's been invaded by The Body Snatchers; he invaded himself. They're going to jump out any second and grab him by the throat. Carl Jung and L. Ron Hubbard -- another metanoiac. It's the Thetans. He should go get audited and make his confession. Some psychologists say that sadism and masochism go together, and I have seen evidence of it.
| The Red Book, by Carl Jung wrote: | I dreamt at that time (it was shortly after Christmas 1912), that I was sitting with my children in a marvelous and richly furnished castle apartment -- an open columned hall -- we were sitting at a round table, whose top was a marvelous dark green stone. Suddenly a gull or a dove flew in and sprang lightly onto the table. I admonished the children to be quiet, so that they would not scare away the beautiful white bird. Suddenly this bird turned into a child of eight years, a small blond girl, and ran around playing with my children in the marvelous columned colonnades. Then the child suddenly turned into the gull or dove. She said the following to me: "Only in the first hour of the night can I become human, while the male dove is busy with the twelve dead." With these words the bird flew away and I awoke. [36]
In Black Book 2, Jung noted that it was this dream that made him decide to embark on a relationship with a woman he had met three years earlier (Toni Wolff ). [37] In 1925, he remarked that this dream "was the beginning of a conviction that the unconscious did not consist of inert material only, but that there was something living down there." |
| The Urban Dictionary wrote: | 1. Thetan
1. Soul. As defined by Scientology. Derived from the Greek letter theta for thought, or life, or the spirit.
2. Thetans are needed to animate a flesh body.
3. According to Scientology, you are full of "body thetans" -- degraded thetans who were once people but are now clustered together along with you, and inhabit your body along with you. You are the leader of these thetans.
75 million years ago there was supposedly a ruler of this part of the galaxy named Xenu. To cure overpopulation on all the planets he controlled, he summoned the people with psychiatric conditions in for an income tax audit. There they were instead paralyzed by injection of an alcohol and glycol mixture into their lungs. They were packed up in refrigerated units and loaded onto space-craft and taken to Earth (called Teegeeack then) and packed around the bases of a few volcanos.
Then their bodies were all destroyed by nuclear explosions. After this the thetans who were flying around in the winds were caught in electronic beams and frozen together in blocks. Then they were taken to huge 3-D cinemas and shown forms of what life should be like on Earth. After that they supposedly clustered together with a lead thetan in charge and they ended up inhabiting bodies in these clusters. Hence although we are a single thetan we supposedly have about 2,500 other lesser "body thetans" attached to our own thetan self.
The dysharmonious relationship between you and your thetans is what causes all sickness and disease in the world.
If you join Scientology, and pay thousands of dollars, you can go through the process of freeing yourself from these body thetans at huge monetary expense.
I know why I have cancer! My thetans are flaring up again. Better fork over some cash to the Scientology folks so that I can be rid of this disease and my entire life inheritance.
2. Thetan
A "Thetan" is the Church of Scientology's name for the human spirit. Like many of the world's religions, Scientologists believe the human spirit or thetan to be immortal. The primary attributes of the thetan are awareness and intention. A thetan is a pure static -- that is, the thetan does not occupy a fixed position in space or time except by its own consideration.
By themselves thetans do not have nor need bodies. Instead, Scientologists believe that certain thetans have been tricked, trapped, implanted, or otherwise chose to inhabit bodies. These thetans have since then become addicted to reincarnating in bodies and cannot recall previous lives without help. This has also been suggested in other spiritual traditions such as those of Ancient Egypt and Tibetan Buddhism, each of which document the between lives area in their respective "Book of the Dead."
Since thetans are immortal, Scientology's conception of cosmic history stretches back for quadrillions of years.
The ostensible "Xenu" story, often quoted in an attempt to belittle scientologists for the seemingly science-fiction and space-opera nature of their beliefs, is only one suppressive event in the 8 quadrillion cosmic year history acknowledged by Scientology.
Scientologists acknowledge that thetans are capable of being affected by electronics and by other thetans, even before their descent into bodies, with embodied thetans being much more susceptible to implantation of hypnotic suggestions by electronic means.
Spot the thetan in the incident. Spot yourself spotting the thetan.
Jill went external and blanketed the thetan of the CEO's son and left a little bit of her theta stuck to his body. Now Jill tunes in on that little piece whenever she wants and can monitor whatever he does. She's been trying to get him to have an affair with one of the Polish cleaning ladies to embarrass and discredit him in the eyes of his wife and his father. |
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Jung created "12" fantasies of death and destruction, based on his favorite apocalyptic myths, pretended that they were real, then cited these fantasies as proof of his ability to predict World War I after it was declared. How does a negative fantasy become a prediction of future events? Usually because you have a hand in creating those events, wanting your psycho-killer fantasies to become really real instead of just imagined real. Or maybe Jung's innocent of participating in a plan to murder millions of people, and simply made an easy prediction of death and destruction -- like when a palm reader tells you: "You're going to meet a man ..." -- in order to bogusly prove that he had precognitive abilities, wasn't crazy, to establish the ground for future work, and show that he was as smart as Freud. But I see him as kind of a Jack the Ripper figure. Then I had another thought: maybe these experiments were a way of learning how to deceive others, arising from the question: "What does it take to make someone believe something that's not real?", like that 9/11 was caused by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, which a government's intelligence agency or mind control cult might ask someone to answer, like the SS asked Mengele, or the CIA asked Gottlieb and Cameron.
Well, we all know that people DO believe things that aren't real, like their religions, so maybe the process of feeding fantasy into the mind and seeing how it becomes real in future events isn't such a crazy theory after all. It's working off the truth of the self-fullfilling prophecy. I would criticize the value of this by saying that in so doing, they simply got out what they put in, and something negative at that ("Garbage in/garbage out). So no insight actually happened, no magic, and no positive future. It was nothing but illusion, insanity, and death. In my opinion, this is for people with very low expectations of life, for morbid people, sadists, and people with no faith in reality, and certainly NOT for heroes or heroines who want to create a positive future where all beings can be happy. |
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Ignorant people do self-fulfilling prophecies, smart people do tautological nature of the mind. The difference is knowing that you, and everyone else, is the creator of reality, instead of chaos, chance, destiny, divine intervention, or past-life karma. And I'm not talking about solipsism or anything New-Agey. And most of all, I'm talking about our SOCIAL reality, NOT the natural world, which we do create but in biological time. Fellini is the second kind of smart person: he always shows his camera at the end of the movie. So is the Tibetan Buddhist, who generates the visualization, engages it, then dissolves it at the end, and finishes by resting in their own mind -- as long as the Tibetan Buddhist then goes out and does something useful with that knowledge. And James Cameron, as he shows from this scene in The Terminator.
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Why would you even think that fantasies could produce "developments" in the world, unless you knew those fantasies came from people who were actively working to produce them, and had written their planned "developments" into their fantasies? Obviously, Jung isn't working with just anyone's fantasies, but people with power to make their fantasies happen. Because trying to predict the future based on just anyone's fantasies would be futile. They would have to be the fantasies of people who had the power to make things happen. And how could he possibly "understand to what extent the events portrayed in the fantasies presented ... developments that were to occur in the world" until AFTER the events had already happened? And the attempt to derive "general psychological principles" from these powerful people's fantasies is to attribute the fantasies of a certain group of people to everyone. Jung is obviously up to no good, and so are the translators. We're in Cult Land here.
| The Red Book, by Carl Jung wrote: | | In the Draft, about 50 percent of the material is drawn directly from the Black Books. There are about thirty-five new sections of commentary. In these sections, he attempted to derive general psychological principles from the fantasies, and to understand to what extent the events portrayed in the fantasies presented, in a symbolic form, developments that were to occur in the world. |
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